5 Guns for Your Nightstand; and an Honorable Mention

[Scout]

Jeff M wrote:
> On 7/21/2010 10:50 PM, Zombywoof wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:56:03 -0400, "betweentheeyes"
> [snip]
>> Personally I really would give most of his suggestions much
>> consideration. I've always viewed .22's as a weapon of LAST resort
>> in a Self-Defense situation. My opinion (and many others) runs to a
>> Scatter-Gun for Home Defense use.
>
> IIRC, a .22 will penetrate walls more readily than some larger caliber
> bullets, which is generally considered a bad thing in a home defense
> gun.

Yep, which is why I prefer frangible rounds in a revolver. Though, I just
had a thought. You could possibly go with one of the .410 handguns, but that
might be a bit big for quick manuvering. :-)

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Zombywoof
<fishwings@live.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:47:47
-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>
>Over kill? Perhaps, but it won't be me getting killed in my own
>house.

Overkill? After the first time I'm killed, there's no "over"
about it.
I don't want to die, because then the universe ends.

pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Zombywoof
<fishwings@live.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:33:32
-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:39:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@**********>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:11:48 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><phamp@***************> wrote:
>>
>>>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Zombywoof
>>><fishwings@live.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:47:47
>>>-0400 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>Over kill? Perhaps, but it won't be me getting killed in my own
>>>>house.
>>>
>>> Overkill? After the first time I'm killed, there's no "over"
>>>about it.
>>> I don't want to die, because then the universe ends.
>>>
>>There is no such thing as "overkill"
>>
>When used in the context I did it simply means more then needed or
>required. It has nothing to do with killing in the context used.

True, True.


>Gawd some peoples vocabulary is quite a bit less then.

But I have this "Loose grasp of the English language" which
sometimes stumbles down the byways and side streets off the usual well
worn paths of thought. (Weiss dui, I'm not heading down some
metaphorical alley to mug another language for vocabulary and adverbs.
Savey?)

On the other side, the point of self defense is to "Stop The
Attack." Saving my life is mission one, unless _I_ decide that
someone else is more deserving to live. Damital, I did not volunteer
to be the one at the pointy end of the stick, biology is not destiny!
But I did get issued the testosterone, the testes, and the hardwiring.
Like in the Army, the gun came with the job. Only in this case, with
the **** came the responsibilities. I didn't ask to be responsible, I
don't remember being asked - it just was expected. One of those
cultural assumptions when the "profile" isn't fair, but so what? Men
do that combat thing. (God help us when the women get involved,
defending cubs brings out the weremonster - and then you get blamed
because there's blood spatters on the ceiling!)
And I don't want to let down other people, especially those I care
about. Which means I should get used to getting into tactical gear in
the dark, and doing the Guy Thing. Which is to put myself between
those I love and those who mean them harm.

There is no "over kill" - especially when the alternative is my
life. That ends, the universe ends. So, there is no overkill. Over
penetration, maybe, excessive collateral damage, possibly. Overkill,
nyet. They can't die more than once. And even if I could raise and
animate their corpse, it wouldn't change the fact that they are still
dead just the once.

/rant off

Sorry, didn't mean to get worked up.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Friends help you move, good friends help you move bodies. Really good
friends remove bodies, bloodstains and hot cars, then collect the IDs,
weapons and useful stuff." _After the Dragon's Egg_, the unbegun novel.

[robert bowman]

Gunner Asch wrote:

> Anyone with a torch and some steel can make on of these and put it to
> good use.

I was thinking more about a couple of those screw in garden tool holders
from Home Depot...

[robert bowman]

pyotr filipivich wrote:

> "thirty eight special on a 44 frame
> I know I got him, cause I got dead aim."

"She got a .38 special but I believe it's most too light
She got a .38 special but I believe it's most too light
I got a .32-20, got to make the caps alright

And if she gets unruly, thinks she don't wan' do
And if she gets unruly and thinks she don't wan' do
Take my .32-20, now, and cut her half in two"

Mean old Railroad Bill ain't nothing to Robert Johnson.

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Fri, 23 Jul 2010
13:39:14 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>>10. Learn to recognize and to studiously avoid potentially dangerous
>>>people and situations; avoidance or an early retreat are virtually
>>>always better options than using deadly force.
>>
>> As I was taught - lethal force is not an "option". That is to
>> say, by that time, there is no alternative, there are no other options
>> - save harm to yourself. "It was him or me, and better him."
>
>Actually, that should be expressed as "I only wished to stop the attack.
>Two shots to center mass? You mean there's vital organs in there? Oh,
>well, if he dies, he dies."

Keeper!

--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Fri, 23 Jul 2010
13:34:52 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>pyotr filipivich <phamp@***************> wrote in
>newsnvg46lqmch03vb09so48po03etlkmaqf5@********:
>
>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Thu, 22 Jul 2010
>> 12:10:53 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>
>>>> 2. In handguns, try to have a gun with a caliber beginning with the
>>>> number "4"
>>>
>>>I have a few .357 Magnums....they will work.
>>
>> .357 - rounds to ".4"
>>>
>>>> 3. Most any long gun is superior to most any handgun
>>>
>>>Depends on the situation.
>>
>> Most vs most ... yes, it does depend. Could go either way. Better
>> to have "the wrong" gun, than no gun. No gun is better than the
>> wrong gun.
>> My brother knew a guy who was on the 'last bus from Addis Abba'
>> and had felt very secure, with his 357 revolver. Till the first
>> roadblock, and he realized that each of 'those guy' had 5 time the
>> number of bullets in the magazine of their AK-47. And there were more
>> than six of them. Being in a 'target rich environment' is acceptable,
>> only if there is a reasonable chance to survive it.
>
>Many of those with the first number a "4" only carry a couple more
>rounds, than I have. My feeling....if I am in a fight where I will need
>more than one tactical reload, it is probably a lot more than I can
>handle anyway and I will be buying the farm unless the cavalry arrives.

A pistol is the first step in getting the keys to the tank ...

Or what you use to fight your way to A Real Gun(tm) (I.e. a
Rifle.)
>
>> "If, after the dust settles and the smoke clears, you are able to
>> join with your SO and rut like lust crazed adolescent weasels, then
>> you obviously had the Right Gun in the Right Caliber, along with the
>> Right Doctrine,Tactics and application." drieux, just drieux.
>> But that doesn't mean you could not improve on any and all of
>> them,.
>
>Bingo.

"Luck favors the prepared man." NASA saying back when they were
Doing Guy Stuff.
--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!

[RD Sandman]

pyotr filipivich <phamp@***************> wrote in
newsahm46hkuod7o52el78r8mtg381q03o59t@********:

> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Fri, 23 Jul 2010
> 13:34:52 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>pyotr filipivich <phamp@***************> wrote in
>>newsnvg46lqmch03vb09so48po03etlkmaqf5@********:
>>
>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
>>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Thu, 22 Jul 2010
>>> 12:10:53 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>> 2. In handguns, try to have a gun with a caliber beginning with
the
>>>>> number "4"
>>>>
>>>>I have a few .357 Magnums....they will work.
>>>
>>> .357 - rounds to ".4"
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Most any long gun is superior to most any handgun
>>>>
>>>>Depends on the situation.
>>>
>>> Most vs most ... yes, it does depend. Could go either way.
Better
>>> to have "the wrong" gun, than no gun. No gun is better than the
>>> wrong gun.
>>> My brother knew a guy who was on the 'last bus from Addis Abba'
>>> and had felt very secure, with his 357 revolver. Till the first
>>> roadblock, and he realized that each of 'those guy' had 5 time the
>>> number of bullets in the magazine of their AK-47. And there were
more
>>> than six of them. Being in a 'target rich environment' is
acceptable,
>>> only if there is a reasonable chance to survive it.
>>
>>Many of those with the first number a "4" only carry a couple more
>>rounds, than I have. My feeling....if I am in a fight where I will
need
>>more than one tactical reload, it is probably a lot more than I can
>>handle anyway and I will be buying the farm unless the cavalry arrives.
>
> A pistol is the first step in getting the keys to the tank ...

I had a guy tell he that a homemade zipgun wouldn't do any good in any
uprising. (This occurred on the approach to the millenium.) Anyway, I
told him that the threat of it or one shot from it could get me a real
rifle, perhaps his.



--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

The three stages of our economy.......

Recession - You neighbor loses his job...

Depression - You lose your job...

Recovery - Obama loses his....

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Sat, 24 Jul 2010
16:38:35 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>pyotr filipivich <phamp@***************> wrote in
>newsahm46hkuod7o52el78r8mtg381q03o59t@********:
>
>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Fri, 23 Jul 2010
>> 13:34:52 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>pyotr filipivich <phamp@***************> wrote in
>>>newsnvg46lqmch03vb09so48po03etlkmaqf5@********:
>>>
>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that RD Sandman
>>>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> reported Elvis on Thu, 22 Jul 2010
>>>> 12:10:53 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. In handguns, try to have a gun with a caliber beginning with
>the
>>>>>> number "4"
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a few .357 Magnums....they will work.
>>>>
>>>> .357 - rounds to ".4"
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Most any long gun is superior to most any handgun
>>>>>
>>>>>Depends on the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Most vs most ... yes, it does depend. Could go either way.
>Better
>>>> to have "the wrong" gun, than no gun. No gun is better than the
>>>> wrong gun.
>>>> My brother knew a guy who was on the 'last bus from Addis Abba'
>>>> and had felt very secure, with his 357 revolver. Till the first
>>>> roadblock, and he realized that each of 'those guy' had 5 time the
>>>> number of bullets in the magazine of their AK-47. And there were
>more
>>>> than six of them. Being in a 'target rich environment' is
>acceptable,
>>>> only if there is a reasonable chance to survive it.
>>>
>>>Many of those with the first number a "4" only carry a couple more
>>>rounds, than I have. My feeling....if I am in a fight where I will
>need
>>>more than one tactical reload, it is probably a lot more than I can
>>>handle anyway and I will be buying the farm unless the cavalry arrives.
>>
>> A pistol is the first step in getting the keys to the tank ...
>
>I had a guy tell he that a homemade zipgun wouldn't do any good in any
>uprising. (This occurred on the approach to the millenium.) Anyway, I
>told him that the threat of it or one shot from it could get me a real
>rifle, perhaps his.

Some one needs to read a little deeper in history. The
"Liberator" was just such a "zip gun" - good for about seven shots. It
was intended as a means for a member of a Resistance to "get" a real
gun.
And the nice thing about zipguns - no "ballistic fingerprint."
--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!

[robert bowman]

RD Sandman wrote:

> I had a guy tell he that a homemade zipgun wouldn't do any good in any
> uprising. (This occurred on the approach to the millenium.) Anyway, I
> told him that the threat of it or one shot from it could get me a real
> rifle, perhaps his.

Well, some people figure the only things you can trade up are cars, houses,
and wives.